Satan also came among the sons of God Job 1:6
Job 1:6"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Yahweh, and Satan came also among them."
Problem: Satan in Job is an angel who came among the angels in heaven and criticized Job, whom he had been watching whilst walking around in the earth seeing what trouble he could make. He then brings lots of problems upon Job to try and turn him away from God.
Solution:
Nowhere in the book of Job is Satan clearly stated to be a fallen angel. The argument that Satan is a fallen angel is an assumed one, and involves the following assumptions:
That the "sons of God" refers to angels. The expression is possibly identified with angels in Job 38:7, but is used of humans elsewhere in Scripture: Deut. 14:1 R.S.V.; Psa. 82:6, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10, Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1. that the phrase “sons of God” can refer to those who have the true understanding of God (Rom. 8:14; 2 Cor. 6:17-18; 1 Jn. 3:7). Angels do not bring false accusations against believers “before the Lord” (2 Pet. 2:11)
That Satan was a "son of God". The passage only states that he "came among them", but not that he was himself a "son of God" It cannot be conclusively proved that Satan was a son of God - he “came among them”.
It is assumed that "a conference" took place in heaven from the following two references: "To present themselves before Yahweh" (Job 1:6); "so Satan went forth from the presence of Yahweh" (Job 2:7).
But note the following:
The "conference" need not to have taken place in heaven. When men came before Yahweh's accredited representatives on earth (e.g., the judges), they were said to be standing "before Yahweh".
The following are two examples:
"Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before Yahweh, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days." (Deut. 19:17).
". . . Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for Yahweh who is with you in the judgment." (2 Chron. 19:6).
To leave the presence of Yahweh (Job 1:12) does not require Satan ("adversary", A.V. mg., Job 1:6) to have had access to the dwelling place of God in heaven. Cain "went out from the presence of Yahweh" (Gen. 4:16) and he certainly was not in heaven. The adversary was well travelled on the earth: "going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it." (Job 1:7 R.S.V.). (Is walking the usual mode of locomotion for a mighty angel?)
It is impossible that a rebel angel could have had access to the dwelling place of God in heaven for the following reasons:
God does not tolerate evil: "Evil may not sojourn with thee." (Psa. 5:4, 5, R.S.V.); "Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity . . ." (Hab. 1:13).
How then could a rebel angel have access to heaven from before the creation of Adam and Eve until 1914? Or if, as it is sometimes asserted that Satan was cast out of heaven before the creation of Adam and Eve, how did he manage to regain access to heaven?
If Satan were a rebel angel with access to heaven until 1914 (as J.W.'s assert), this would invalidate the Lord's prayer. Jesus prayed: "Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." (Matt. 6:10). Did Jesus believe that heaven was the seat of revolution, intrigue, and disorder, and later to be the scene of a great war?
Job never attributed his afflictions to a rebel angel. His declaration was simply: "The hand of God hath touched me". (Job 19:21 cf. 2:10). Even Job's brethren, sisters and acquaintances acknowledged that the evil was brought upon Job by Yahweh: "they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that Yahweh had brought upon him." (Job 42:11).
Job 1:6"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Yahweh, and Satan came also among them."
Problem: Satan in Job is an angel who came among the angels in heaven and criticized Job, whom he had been watching whilst walking around in the earth seeing what trouble he could make. He then brings lots of problems upon Job to try and turn him away from God.
Solution:
Nowhere in the book of Job is Satan clearly stated to be a fallen angel. The argument that Satan is a fallen angel is an assumed one, and involves the following assumptions:
That the "sons of God" refers to angels. The expression is possibly identified with angels in Job 38:7, but is used of humans elsewhere in Scripture: Deut. 14:1 R.S.V.; Psa. 82:6, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10, Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1. that the phrase “sons of God” can refer to those who have the true understanding of God (Rom. 8:14; 2 Cor. 6:17-18; 1 Jn. 3:7). Angels do not bring false accusations against believers “before the Lord” (2 Pet. 2:11)
That Satan was a "son of God". The passage only states that he "came among them", but not that he was himself a "son of God" It cannot be conclusively proved that Satan was a son of God - he “came among them”.
It is assumed that "a conference" took place in heaven from the following two references: "To present themselves before Yahweh" (Job 1:6); "so Satan went forth from the presence of Yahweh" (Job 2:7).
But note the following:
The "conference" need not to have taken place in heaven. When men came before Yahweh's accredited representatives on earth (e.g., the judges), they were said to be standing "before Yahweh".
The following are two examples:
"Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before Yahweh, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days." (Deut. 19:17).
". . . Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for Yahweh who is with you in the judgment." (2 Chron. 19:6).
To leave the presence of Yahweh (Job 1:12) does not require Satan ("adversary", A.V. mg., Job 1:6) to have had access to the dwelling place of God in heaven. Cain "went out from the presence of Yahweh" (Gen. 4:16) and he certainly was not in heaven. The adversary was well travelled on the earth: "going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it." (Job 1:7 R.S.V.). (Is walking the usual mode of locomotion for a mighty angel?)
It is impossible that a rebel angel could have had access to the dwelling place of God in heaven for the following reasons:
God does not tolerate evil: "Evil may not sojourn with thee." (Psa. 5:4, 5, R.S.V.); "Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity . . ." (Hab. 1:13).
How then could a rebel angel have access to heaven from before the creation of Adam and Eve until 1914? Or if, as it is sometimes asserted that Satan was cast out of heaven before the creation of Adam and Eve, how did he manage to regain access to heaven?
If Satan were a rebel angel with access to heaven until 1914 (as J.W.'s assert), this would invalidate the Lord's prayer. Jesus prayed: "Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." (Matt. 6:10). Did Jesus believe that heaven was the seat of revolution, intrigue, and disorder, and later to be the scene of a great war?
Job never attributed his afflictions to a rebel angel. His declaration was simply: "The hand of God hath touched me". (Job 19:21 cf. 2:10). Even Job's brethren, sisters and acquaintances acknowledged that the evil was brought upon Job by Yahweh: "they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that Yahweh had brought upon him." (Job 42:11).
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