Vision through the soul or through the spirit? The gospel of Mary
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how does the person who sees the vision see it, through the soul or through the spirit? The Gospel of Mary
8) And she began to speak to them these words: I, she said, I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to Him, Lord I saw you today in a vision. He answered and said to me,the past tense Lord I saw you today in a vision Mary is addressing Jesus after the vision
9) Blessed are you that you did not waver at the sight of Me. For where the mind is there is the treasure.
10) I said to Him, Lord, how does he who sees the vision see it, through the soul or through the spirit?
11) The Savior answered and said, He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind that is between the two that is what sees the vision and it is [...]
(pages 11 - 14 are missing from the manuscript)
this passage is based on John 20:14-18
John 20:14 After saying this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus said to her: “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” She, thinking it was the gardener, said to him: “Sir, if you have carried him off, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.”
16 Jesus said to her: “Mary!” On turning around, she said to him in Hebrew: “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher!”)
17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
18 Mary Magdalene came and brought the news to the disciples: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them what he had said to her.
the ‘mind’ (as the place where one’s ‘treasure’ is)
This should be understood in light of Jesus's words that For the Son of Man is within you. his saving work allows us to follow after him the way to the true human existence and to find within ourselves the son of man as our own new self
11) The Savior answered and said, He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind that is between the two that is what sees the vision and it is
Mary asks which human faculty enables one to see a
vision, and she mentions the ‘soul’ or the ‘spirit’ as possibilities.
The Saviour’s reply is to say that, rather than the soul or the spirit,
it is the mind.
17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
This suggests the ascent of the soul as the theme of the vision which Mary goes on to narrate
He answered and said to me,
9) Blessed are you that you did not waver at the sight of Me. For where the mind is there is the treasure.
did not waver not wavering and standing firm are terms in gnostic texts for those who possess knowledge
9) Blessed are you that you did not waver at the sight of Me. For where the mind is there is the treasure.
did not waver not wavering and standing firm are terms in gnostic texts for those who possess knowledge
treasure and mind
where the mind is, there is the treasure’. In one
way this appears to be close to (but not identical with) the saying in
Matt. 6.21 // Luke 12.34: ‘where your treasure is, there will your heart
be also’ here in the Gospel of Mary replacing heart with mindMetaphysical meaning of treasure (rw)
treasure--True wealth is a state of consciousness, the consciousness of God as man's supply. Spiritual wealth expresses itself as faith, love, wisdom, grace, joy, and so on. Material wealth expresses as worldly riches, possessions of an earthly nature
Justin, 1 Apol. 15.16 But seek the kingdom of heaven, and all these things shall be added unto you. For where his treasure is, there also is the mind of a man.
treasure--True wealth is a state of consciousness, the consciousness of God as man's supply. Spiritual wealth expresses itself as faith, love, wisdom, grace, joy, and so on. Material wealth expresses as worldly riches, possessions of an earthly nature
Justin, 1 Apol. 15.16 But seek the kingdom of heaven, and all these things shall be added unto you. For where his treasure is, there also is the mind of a man.
the version in the Gospel of Mary seems to refer to a present
state of affairs the ‘mind’ itself the valued site, this is where the treasure’ itself is.
the ‘mind’ (as the place where one’s ‘treasure’ is)
This should be understood in light of Jesus's words that For the Son of Man is within you. his saving work allows us to follow after him the way to the true human existence and to find within ourselves the son of man as our own new self
mind and vision
10) I said to Him, Lord, how does he who sees the vision see it, through the soul or through the spirit?11) The Savior answered and said, He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind that is between the two that is what sees the vision and it is
Here the words soul and spirit refer to natural human faculties
Man is made up of a body, soul and spirit
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Sometimes the word soul and spirit and be translated mind, heart,
brain seat of consciousness
Mind = the intellect
soul = seat of the outward senses or the body
spirit = seat of emotions or the heart
The mind conveys the vision, functioning as a mediator between the spirit and the soul.
The mind is the ruling function of the soul, not something separate from it. He maintained that the soul, as well as the body, is material
For the Gospel of Mary, a human being is composed of body, soul, and mind.9 The mind is consciousness literally a co-perception. It implies that there are two types of perception within the believer- human perception, and spiritual self perception, that which links it with God. The Mind that is cleansed in Christ, that is at peace, will be a consciousness that keeps those two perceptions, of the real self and of the ego, in harmony.
The mind rules and leads the soul, so that when the mind is directed toward God, it purifies and directs the soul toward spiritual attainment. As the Savior said, "Where the mind is, there is the treasure" (GMary 7:4).
According to the Gospel of Mary, however, it is not the soul that sees the vision, but the mind acting as a mediator between the sensory perceptions of the soul and the Deity. This view was widely held among Christian theologians.18 For example, the second-century theologian and martyr, Justin,19 argued that God is invisible, and thus "the vision of God does not occur with the eyes, as with other living beings, but He can be grasped only by the mind" (Dialogue with Trypho 3).
The Gospel of Mary clearly agrees that only spiritually advanced persons have visionary experiences. Mary, for example, is praised by the Savior because she has not wavered at the sight of him.21
The Savior ascribes Mary's stability to the fact that her mind is concentrated on spiritual matters. Mary has clearly achieved the purity of mind necessary to see the Savior and converse with him. The vision is a mark of that purity and her closeness to God.22 Note, too, that her stability is in marked contrast with the contentious fearfulness of the other disciples.
Because the mind is not associated with the senses, it is not dimmed in the presence of the Holy Spirit. Madness and ecstasy are not necessary characteristics of true prophecy from the Gospel of Mary's point of view; rather the purified mind is clear and potent.
The mind being described as a treasure (GosMar 10.15-16) reminds one of Paul's first letter to the Corinthians where he quotes Isaiah's question 'who has the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?' (Isa. 11.13). And he answers: but we have the mind of Christ (1 Cor. 2.16). In his letter to the Romans the mind is the inner Human being, which is able to distinguish between the good and the bad (Rom. 7.22-23). The mind is able to honour the law of God, but is held prisoner by the flesh, causing death (Rom. 7.26).
If the Spirit of God who raised Christ lives within one, this situation changes, enabling one to become free and alive (Rom. 7.24-25; 8.10-15). In the second letter to the Corinthians Paul calls the knowledge of God's glory in Jesus Christ, a treasure which we have in earthen vessels, referring to his hardships as an apostle (2 Cor. 4.6-11). He encourages his readers by saying that, although the outer human being is decaying, the inner one is renewed from day to day (2 Cor. 4.16). Furthermore he asks them to change themselves and to live their lives in accordance with their renewed mind (Rom. 12.2). In the letter to the Ephesians this renewal through one's mind is the same as clothing oneself with the new Human being (Eph. 4.23-24).
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