Emanation creation out of the substance of God (creation ex deo)

Emanation creation out of the substance of God

Emanation or creatio ex deo

1 Cor. 8:5 For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”

6 yet to us there is but one God, the Father, out of whom are all things and we in Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ on account of whom are all things, and we by Him.

I want to challenge a commonly assumed theory called creatio ex nihilo. This is the idea that when God created the universe, he created it out of nothing. It put forward as fact that God didn’t form and shape creation out of his own being but made the creation itself appear out of nowhere.

If God created the universe, and 'before' that the only existence was that of God, and From nothing comes nothing, and something always comes from something, then God must have created the universe out of his own being. (creation ex deo)

The common phrase creatio ex nihilo (lit. "creation out of nothing"), the idea of a big bang is incorrect you can not make something out of nothing this is were the doctrine of emanation comes in or creatio ex deo (creation out of the being of God or Creation out of the substance of God himself.) 1st Cor. 8:6.

Note that the substance of God is his divine nature which is corporeal  

The word "Emanation" comes from the Latin e-manare, "to flow forth".

According to Emanationism, Creation occurs by a process of emanation - "out-flowing".

The source or fountain of power in the universe is One. It is a unit. Therefore, everything that exists is “out of Him.” Hence, the Creator did not “make all things out of nothing.” This is the theology taught by the orthodox scholars of the old self of the flesh, and it leads many of its children to affirm that “matter is God.” They understand “matter” to be that “which is knowable by the five senses.” Hence, the sun, the moon, the stars, and all the things they can see, taste, touch, smell, and hear on Earth are God to them. They confuse that which is “of Him” with the “Him” out of whom all things proceed.

On the other hand, some children of the old self claim “God is immaterial.” By this they

mean God is not matter, or substance, or body, but an inconceivable something they call

“spirit,” an incorporeal, unsubstantial, immaterial spirit that is as near to nothing as words can express.

Nothing making all things out of nothing is the old self's teaching concerning God.

the Scripture declares that Spirit is the Deity. "Spirit," then, is the Deity commonly called God. But more than this, this Spirit is the Father; that is, the One, out of whom (ex autou) are all things.

This appears from what is said of “Spirit” and of “Father.” Jesus stated in John 5:31: “The Father raises the dead and quickens them.”That is, He makes the ones liberated from the grave incorruptibly alive. 

And in John 6:63, he says: “It is the Spirit that quickens” or makes alive. Therefore, the Father and the Spirit are the same. 

Nevertheless, the word “spirit” is often used in other senses. It is the FATHER-SPIRIT Paul refers to in 1 Timothy 6:16 that no one has seen in His unveiled splendor. 

Veiled in flesh (“the Veil of the Covering” - Ex. 35:12) those who discerned the one who spoke to Philip “saw the Father.” (Jn. 14:9 and 12:45) 

But veiled or unveiled, the Father-spirit is material. Regarding the Unveiled Father-Spirit, Hebrews 1:2-3 tells us that the Son is the Character of his Hypostasis, rendered in the common version as “the express image of His person.” The Son is the character or exact representation, and the Father is the hypostasis.

The Father is absolute power from his incorruptible substance radiates holy spirit or active force is before all existing things. This self-existing incorruptible substance is essentially spirit—spirit substance—a concentration and condensation into ONE BODY of all the attributes, intellectual, moral and physical, of omnipotence—all things are out of Deity (1 Cor. 8:6).

 All things being out of Deity, they were not made out of nothing. The sun, moon and stars, together with all things pertaining to each, were made out of something, and that something was the radiant flowing out of His substance, spirit or active force, which pervades all things. By his spirit or active force, all created things are connected with the creator of the universe, which is light that no man can approach unto, so that not even a sparrow falls to the ground without the Father, who is not far from every one of us.

The formation of the first man of the earth was the expression by spirit of the peculiar divine idea or mental image. The spirit-developed form, styled man, was the result of power divinely exercised upon the dust of the ground.

Thus, Creation is not Creation out of nothing, but creation out of the being of the higher hypostasis.

The gospel of Thomas Saying 11

The gospel of Thomas Saying 11

Jesus said: This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away; and those who are dead are not alive, and those who are living will not die. In the days when you ate of what is dead, you made of it what is living. When you come to be light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you have become two, what will you do?

In the Gospel of Thomas, a collection of sayings attributed to Jesus, there lies a profound exhortation that resonates with the spiritual truths found within the Bible. Jesus proclaims, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away; and those who are dead are not alive, and those who are living will not die" (Gospel of Thomas, Saying 11). This declaration echoes the prophecy of Isaiah, stating, "And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll" (Isaiah 34:4).

Central to this saying is the notion that the dead are not alive, a concept deeply embedded in the fabric of the one true faith as delineated in the Bible. Contrary to the beliefs of many other religious traditions, the Bible teaches that death is not a gateway to eternal life in heaven but rather a state of unconsciousness. This truth is reiterated throughout both the Gospel of Thomas and the Scriptures (e.g., Ecclesiastes 9:5, Psalms 115:17, 146:3-4).

Sayings 15, 51, 52, 59, along with biblical references such as Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 and Psalms 115:3-4, underscore the theme of the unconsciousness of the dead. They emphasize that death is a state of non-being, where individuals are unaware of the affairs of the living world. This aligns with the biblical notion that in death, there is no consciousness or knowledge (Ecclesiastes 9:5) and that the dead do not praise the Lord (Psalms 115:17).

Furthermore, Saying 87 and 112, along with the reference to Genesis, highlight the interconnectedness of the body, flesh, and soul. This echoes the biblical concept that humanity is comprised of both physical and spiritual elements, and these aspects are intricately linked. The unity of body, flesh, and soul underscores the holistic nature of human existence, emphasizing the importance of both physical and spiritual well-being.

The interpretation of these sayings goes beyond a mere understanding of physical death; they also speak to spiritual death—the separation from God due to sin. Those who remain spiritually dead, unenlightened by the truth, face not only physical death but also spiritual death, symbolized by a second death after judgment. In contrast, those who are spiritually alive in Christ experience eternal life, marked by a profound union with God.

The Gospel of Thomas, much like the Bible, emphasizes the transformative power of truth and the significance of spiritual awakening. Through faith in Christ and adherence to His teachings, believers transition from spiritual death to life, from darkness into the everlasting light of God's presence.

In essence, these additional sayings reinforce the central themes of spiritual consciousness, interconnectedness of body and soul, and the transformative power of truth found within the Gospel of Thomas. They complement the broader narrative of Jesus's teachings, inviting believers to contemplate the nature of life, death, and eternity in light of divine truth.

In light of these additional sayings, the concept of eating dead and living things takes on a broader spiritual significance. It encompasses not only physical nourishment but also spiritual sustenance, highlighting the importance of feeding the soul with divine truth rather than relying solely on worldly pleasures. Just as the body requires sustenance for physical life, the soul requires spiritual nourishment for eternal life.

Therefore, the admonition to eat dead and living things in the Gospel of Thomas goes beyond mere dietary practices; it serves as a metaphor for embracing spiritual truths and rejecting spiritual death. By partaking of the living bread—the teachings of Christ—and rejecting the dead works of the flesh, believers find true fulfillment and eternal life in Him.

Moreover, Jesus's words in Saying 11 align with the biblical teaching that the spiritually dead will face a second death after judgment, while those alive in Christ will attain everlasting life. The distinction between the dead and the living is not merely physical but spiritual, highlighting the importance of being spiritually alive through faith in Christ.

The imagery of eating dead and living things in the saying symbolizes the consumption of spiritual nourishment. The dead represent adherence to the Law of Moses, which fails to impart eternal life, while the living symbolize partaking of Christ's flesh and blood through belief in His testimony as revealed in the Scriptures (John 6:54, Revelation 22:14). Thus, truth nourishes life, leading believers from darkness into the light of Christ.

"When you are in the Light, what will you become?" Jesus's question invites contemplation on the transformative power of light, equating it with moral enlightenment and unity with God. As believers walk in the light, they become united with God, transitioning from a state of oneness to a divine partnership, symbolized by the union of man and woman in marriage (Genesis 2:24).

This transition from oneness to twoness signifies both unity with God and the potential for division. Through faith in Christ, believers become united with God, yet this unity also distinguishes them from the world, making them "two" in their spiritual journey.

Ultimately, the saying challenges believers to ponder their spiritual state and trajectory. Will they remain spiritually dead, adhering to temporal laws and doctrines, or will they embrace the life-giving truth of Christ, transitioning from darkness into the eternal light?

In conclusion, the Gospel of Thomas, like the Bible, illuminates profound spiritual truths concerning life, death, and light. Through reflection on Jesus's teachings, believers are invited to transcend mere existence and embrace the abundant life found in Him. As they walk in the light, they become united with God, shining as beacons of truth and righteousness in a world enveloped by darkness.

This saying is an exhortation of Isaiah 34:4  And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. Cp. Isaiah 13:13

“The dead are not alive” here we have one of the spiritual truth of the one true faith found only in the Bible the dead are not alive and the kingdom is not in the sky cp. Saying 3, every other bible based faith and religion teaches we go to heaven when we die or that only some go to heaven to rule with Christ. If death is not death than what the Bible says about death is a lie. 

However it is not only the bible that teaches that the dead are unconscious and know nothing and this is summed in the words of Jesus here in saying 11 "The dead are not alive." compare sayings 59, 60. 

So like the Bible and the true believers of the Bible, the Gospel of Thomas does not teach that we go to heaven to rule with Christ or that the soul live on after death. The GTh teaches that the dead are unconscious and know nothing so The dead are not alive Cp. Saying 15, 51, 52, 59, Ecc 9:5, 10 Ps 115: 146:3, 4. And the body, the flesh, and the soul are equivalent in value or interdependent Saying 87, 112 Gen 

This also has another meaning it is also about spiritual death those who have not been made alive by the word of truth. The spiritually dead will die a second death after the judgment. However those who are alive in Christ will have indefinitely lasting life.

The eating of dead and living things are not a doctrine of vegetarianism for the dead things are dead animals compare saying 60 87 111 112 which are killed and than eaten to sports life thus making the dead thing living. The dead and living things are also rational principles cp. 13 61 108 111 this is the same in the bible it is spiritual meat Ps 73:24. Thus, the dead principle would be the Law of Moses, which does not bring everlasting life only a long life in this life if they live by it. Now the living principle is the bread that is the flesh of Christ and if we do not eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood we have no life in us. But we only eat and drink his flesh and blood by believing the written testimony of the Logos concerning Jesus, set forth in the Bible and become the subject of repentance and remission of sins in the name of Christ Jesus, eats his flesh and drinks his blood. Cp. Rev 22:14 Jn 6:54. Truth eats life no one nourished by truth will die. This is the meaning of eating living things which bring us out of darkness and into the light.

“When you are in the Light, what will you become?” Jesus is the light of the world and also God is light, and we are told in the Bible add that we are to become like Jesus is now and Jesus now is consubstantial with God so we are to become consubstantial with God and God is Light so we shall become light first moral light (which denotes the knowledge of the truth i.e. a light to the nations) second when we shall shine like the brightness of the expanse and those who lead many to righteousness, like the starts forever.

On the day when you come into the light you became two. When you are two, what will you become? Two can be a figure both of unity and of division. Man and woman form the basic family unit (Gen 1:27 2:20,24) we become two when we are united with God we are two because God is with us and we are walking with him we are walking in the light and we are no longer one but two.

11) Jesus said, "This heaven [the errant Christo-pagan system of worship] will pass away, and the one above it [errant Judaism] will pass away. The dead [those who are "of" the two heavens named] are not alive [have not found the Life, the resurrection (“Christ in you”)], and the living [those who have “Christ in them”] will not die. In the days when you consumed [put your faith and trust in false teachings of men] what is dead [the lower/outward (fleshly) forms], you made it what is alive [a falsehood has no life of its own, one must give it life by believing and accepting it as true]. When you come to dwell in the light [come to learn the truth about all of these things], what will you do [great question but I am guessing it is best answered by; “choose this day whom you will serve”]? On the day [you sinned] when you were one [still in harmony with the spirit (for most of us, this is lost pretty early in life!)] you became two [you were separated from the Father (duality of mind) eating only from the tree of knowledge, the lower form]. But when you become two, what will you do [try like crazy to recover that lost unity]?" 

seeks rule and rest Gospel of Thomas Saying 2

[Jesus said], "Let him who seeks continue [seeking until] he finds. When he finds, [he will be amazed. And] when he becomes [amazed], he will rule. And [once he has ruled], he will [attain rest]."

The Journey of Seeking, Finding, and Reigning in the Kingdom of God

In the teachings attributed to Jesus, there lies a profound message about the journey of seeking, finding, and ultimately reigning in the Kingdom of God. This journey, filled with mystery and revelation, is intricately woven throughout the biblical texts, inviting seekers to delve deeper into the truths hidden within.

Jesus urges his followers with timeless wisdom: "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds" (Matthew 7:7). This call to persistence in seeking echoes throughout the Scriptures, inviting individuals to embark on a quest for the Kingdom of God. In Matthew 6:33, Jesus specifically directs his disciples to "seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you."

Yet, the nature of this seeking is not merely a casual inquiry but a laborious endeavor to uncover the profound truths concealed within the Word of God. It is a journey that requires diligence and perseverance, as Jesus alludes to in his teaching: "Let him who seeks [toils/labours for the true meaning of these words] continue seeking until he finds." (Matthew 7:7)

As seekers delve deeper into the mysteries of God's Kingdom, they are confronted with a profound realization—the recognition of their own shortcomings and the revelation of the truth. This revelation often brings about a sense of turmoil and astonishment, as individuals come face to face with the reality of their own depravity. Jesus alludes to this transformative process, stating, "When he finds [the meaning], he will become troubled, and he will be astonished" (Matthew 7:7).

The journey of seeking and finding leads to a transformative experience—a shift in perspective and understanding that culminates in reigning in the Kingdom of God. Jesus speaks of this profound outcome, stating, "When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will reign over the All" (Matthew 7:7).

This reign is not one of worldly power or dominance but of spiritual authority and understanding. It is a reign over the self, over the illusions of the world, and over the forces of darkness. As co-heirs with Christ, believers are called to share in his reign, participating in the establishment of God's Kingdom on earth as it is in heaven.

The concept of ruling over the all encompasses two significant aspects. Firstly, it entails a discernment of the fallacies and deceptions of the world, casting off the shackles of ignorance and fear. This newfound wisdom grants believers spiritual authority over the systems of this world, allowing them to see through the illusions of power and control.

Secondly, ruling over the all involves a journey of transformation and sanctification, guided by the Spirit of God. Through repentance and obedience to the Word, believers are refined and prepared to reign with Christ in his Kingdom. As it is written, "And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations" (Revelation 2:26).

In conclusion, the journey of seeking, finding, and reigning in the Kingdom of God is a transformative process that leads believers to a deeper understanding of truth and a greater participation in God's divine plan. It is a journey marked by persistence, revelation, and ultimately, spiritual authority. As seekers embark on this quest, may they be empowered by the Spirit of God to reign with Christ in his everlasting Kingdom.

We are told to seek and find, but we are not told what we are seeking. However, in Matthew we are told that we should seek the kingdom of God when we find it (enter it) we shall reign and after having reigned, we shall rest when Jesus hands over the Kingdom to the Father 1Cor 15:

“He will marvel” We are amazed to realize that we are part of this plan of God. There, in the Kingdom as co-heirs with Jesus in Christ, we reign over all. There we have come to realize that God is all in all! To come to this realization is to come into the Kingdom of God. The one who lives by the Spirit of Christ is the one who reigns over all in the Kingdom. Here there is no fear, no death and no more work! Here the Sons of God rest in God’s peace and rule's all other kingdoms with God’s love.

"'Rest' is mentioned not in the Coptic text but in the Greek fragment; but 'rest' or 'repose' occurs in Sayings 51, 52, 60, 61, 86, and 90.

2)# Jesus said, "Let him who seeks [toils/labours for the true meaning of these words] continue seeking until he finds [this is not only an endurance test but a quest to find the hidden meanings (mystery) within the Word that Jesus only shared with His closest disciples]. When he finds [the meaning], he will become troubled [knowing that he has been living a lie all of his days - it is deeply troubling when one comes to realize how depraved they really are].

When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished [at the simplicity of the truth which will set him free], and he will reign over the All [as joint heir of the Kingdom (as part of the body of Christ) - no longer deceived by the serpent (the mind of flesh) and all of its outward forms]."

The term “rule over the all” has a twofold effect.  First, we are able to recognized the fallacies of our worldly ways and cast them off as nothing (when we are finally “free” from the bondage of the worlds religious system it gives us rule over the world in a spiritual sense) for their only power comes from ignorance and fear of the governed/laity. 

Secondly, we learn the path to perfect love over time through the help of the spirit word which teaches us how to repent and turn back from our sins so that we may be made spotless and gain the first resurrection as kings and ministerial servants in the Kingdom of God.  

Recognize what is in your sigh Gospel of Thomas Saying 5

Gospel of Thomas Saying 5 

Jesus said: Recognize what is before you, and what is hidden from you will be revealed to you; for there is nothing hidden that will not be made manifest.

Title: Understanding the Time: Unveiling the Truth Through Biblical Wisdom

In the sacred texts of Christianity, Jesus imparts profound wisdom regarding the unveiling of truth and the recognition of the times in which we live. His words, echoing through centuries, resonate with timeless significance, guiding believers towards deeper understanding and spiritual enlightenment.

"Recognize what is in your sight," Jesus declares, urging his followers to discern the outward manifestations of religious customs and traditions. In these visible practices lies a deeper, hidden truth waiting to be unveiled. Through diligent study and reflection on the teachings of the Bible, one can perceive the spiritual essence concealed beneath the surface.

The Apostle Paul echoes this sentiment in his letter to the Corinthians, affirming that "we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal" (2 Corinthians 4:18). Here, Paul emphasizes the importance of shifting focus from the transient to the eternal, from the outward to the inward, in order to grasp the profound truths embedded within the Scriptures.

Jesus further elucidates, proclaiming, "For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest." This assertion underscores the inevitability of truth's revelation, emphasizing that no concealed knowledge shall remain obscured forever. Just as seeds buried in the earth eventually sprout forth into the light, so too shall hidden truths emerge from obscurity into clarity.

In contemplating the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, believers are urged to delve into the depths of biblical wisdom, seeking not merely surface-level understanding but profound spiritual insight. The Bible, as the repository of divine revelation, holds within its pages the keys to unlocking hidden truths and unraveling the mysteries of existence.

Yet, despite the abundance of knowledge contained within the Scriptures, Jesus laments that many are reluctant to pursue the path of study and enlightenment. "But no one wants to study it," he observes, highlighting the prevailing indifference towards spiritual discernment and the pursuit of truth.

This reluctance echoes the sentiments expressed by the prophet Hosea centuries earlier: "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" (Hosea 4:6). The failure to engage deeply with the teachings of Scripture leaves individuals vulnerable to deception and spiritual stagnation, hindering their ability to recognize the signs of the times and discern the will of God.

The apostle Peter echoes this sentiment, exhorting believers to "grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 3:18). In nurturing a deeper understanding of Christ's teachings and the principles of the Christian faith, believers equip themselves to navigate the complexities of the modern world and discern the truth amidst a sea of falsehoods.

Moreover, Jesus warns of the impending judgment that awaits both the obedient and disobedient alike. "The obedient and disobedient will be summoned before the judgment seat of Christ to be judged according to their works," he declares, emphasizing the accountability each individual bears for their actions and beliefs.

The apostle Paul reinforces this notion, affirming that "each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor" (1 Corinthians 3:8). The judgment seat of Christ serves as the ultimate reckoning, where every deed, motive, and thought will be laid bare before the righteous judge.

In conclusion, the words of Jesus regarding the recognition of the times and the unveiling of hidden truths resonate with profound significance for believers today. Through diligent study of the Scriptures and earnest pursuit of spiritual discernment, individuals can transcend the superficialities of religious tradition and uncover the deeper truths that lie beneath. As they grow in wisdom and understanding, they equip themselves to navigate the complexities of the modern world with clarity and conviction, prepared to stand before the judgment seat of Christ with confidence and integrity.

Title: Unveiling Truth: Understanding the Time Through Biblical Wisdom

In the words attributed to Jesus, "Recognize what is before you, and what is hidden from you will be revealed to you; for there is nothing hidden that will not be made manifest" (Luke 8:17). These profound words invite us to delve deeper into the timeless wisdom of the Bible, particularly in understanding the current age we live in.

To grasp the essence of our time, we must first look to the teachings of the Bible regarding the end times. As Jesus foretold various signs and events in Matthew 24 and Luke 21, He provided insights into the conditions and events preceding His return. In Matthew 24:4-8, He mentions wars, famines, earthquakes, and false prophets as signs of the end times. Similarly, in Luke 21:25-28, Jesus speaks of distress among nations, with perplexity and roaring seas, signaling the approaching redemption. Understanding these prophecies helps illuminate the current state of the world and our place in it.

However, merely possessing knowledge of biblical prophecy is insufficient. Jesus emphasizes the importance of discernment and spiritual insight. He urges us to recognize the deeper truths hidden beneath the surface of religious practices and traditions. In Matthew 23, Jesus rebukes the religious leaders for their hypocrisy and outward piety while neglecting justice, mercy, and faithfulness. He warns against the pitfalls of empty ritualism and urges a pursuit of true righteousness.

Furthermore, Jesus speaks of the future resurrection of believers, implying a spiritual awakening and unveiling of truths yet unseen. In John 5:28-29, Jesus declares, "Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment." This resurrection encompasses not only physical death but also a spiritual awakening to the deeper realities of God's kingdom.

The Bible serves as a repository of divine wisdom, containing keys to unlock the mysteries of life and eternity. As the apostle Paul writes in 2 Timothy 3:16-17, "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." Studying the Scriptures allows us to discern truth from falsehood and navigate the complexities of our time with wisdom and discernment.

Yet, despite the accessibility of biblical knowledge, many choose to remain ignorant or apathetic. Jesus laments this spiritual blindness in Matthew 13:15, quoting Isaiah: "For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them." The truth is readily available to those who seek it earnestly, yet many remain willfully ignorant.

In conclusion, understanding the time in which we live requires more than mere observation of current events; it demands spiritual discernment and a deep engagement with biblical truth. Jesus' admonition to recognize the hidden truths within religious practices and traditions serves as a call to seek the deeper realities of God's kingdom. Through diligent study of Scripture and a sincere pursuit of truth, we can navigate the complexities of our time and prepare ourselves for the coming judgment, knowing that nothing hidden will remain concealed forever.

We have to understand the time we live in, in Jesus’ day some not understand the time as in our day. To understand the time as in our day. To understand the time we must look at what the bible says about the end than nothing will be hidden from us. We do not know the truth until we find it. The knowledge of the truth is everywhere that is wherever there is a bible but no one wants to study it. But those who know the truth, the obedient and disobedient will be summoned before the judgment seat of Christ to be judged according to their works.

Jesus says there is nothing buried which will not be resurrected so in the greek text Jesus is speaking of the future resurrection of the believer

Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight [what is manifested in festivals, customs, ordinances and traditions etc.. of the religious leaders which are lower/outward (fleshly) forms of the "letter" of the Word which was only "to be a tutor" leading to Christ for those who are yet without the life], and that which is hidden from you [the higher/inward (spiritual) substance - the spirit of the Word (Keys of Knowledge)] will become plain to you [you will see the deeper spiritual meanings (treasures)]. For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest." [the whole world and its system of ordinances and traditions manifest the condition of those who are "of" it - this is the power of the counterfeit kingdom over the flesh whose glory (and fruit) comes in the form of pride, covetness, hypocrisy and evil in all of its many forms - in verse 39 below, it demonstrates how the scribes and Pharisees and then the church has hidden the Keys which become will become manifest to those who toil day and night for it]

The fruit and it's Tree Gospel of Thomas Saying 43

The fruit and it's Tree:

 

Gospel of Thomas Saying 43

(43) His students said to him, Who are you to say these things to us? Yeshua said, From what I tell you, you do not know who I am, but you have become like the Jews. They love the tree but hate its fruit or love the fruit but hate the tree.

Understanding Jesus' Message: Love the Tree, Embrace the Fruit

In the timeless dialogue captured in the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus engages in a profound exchange with his disciples. As his students question his authority, Jesus responds with a metaphorical discourse that delves deep into the essence of his teachings and the complexities of human perception.

Drawing from the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus metaphorically likens himself to a tree, and his teachings and actions to the fruit borne from it. He addresses the fundamental disconnect between his true identity and the perceptions of those around him. "From what I tell you, you do not know who I am," he asserts, highlighting the gap between understanding his message and recognizing his divine nature.

In Matthew 7:16-20, Jesus employs a similar analogy of a tree and its fruit to convey the importance of discerning true prophets. He warns, "You will recognize them by their fruits," emphasizing the significance of aligning actions with beliefs. Jesus implies that mere proclamation of faith is insufficient; genuine discipleship manifests in deeds that reflect the teachings of love, compassion, and righteousness.

The dialogue continues with Jesus addressing the inconsistency within the Judean community regarding his ministry. Some individuals, enamored by the miracles he performs, revel in the sweetness of the fruit but recoil from embracing the tree itself. This sentiment echoes Jesus' encounters throughout the Gospels, where individuals seek miraculous interventions but hesitate to embrace the transformative power of his teachings.

Contrastingly, there are those who resonate with Jesus' message of Truth but reject the miracles he performs. Their reluctance stems from a fear of disrupting existing power structures or confronting the authority of religious leaders. This dichotomy illustrates the multifaceted nature of human response to divine revelation—embracing certain aspects while rejecting others based on personal biases or societal pressures.

The disciples' inquiry reflects a broader pattern of skepticism and questioning that permeates Jesus' ministry. Despite witnessing his teachings and witnessing his miracles, they grapple with doubts regarding his authority. This skepticism mirrors the disbelief and opposition Jesus faces from various factions within Jewish society, including religious leaders and ordinary citizens.

Throughout the Gospels, Jesus challenges conventional notions of authority and invites individuals to discern the true source of spiritual wisdom. In John 14:6, Jesus declares, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me," reaffirming his role as the ultimate arbiter of divine truth. His teachings and actions serve as a testament to his divine identity and the redemptive power of his message.

As followers of Jesus, we are called to emulate the symbiotic relationship between the tree and its fruit. We must not only appreciate the miracles and teachings of Jesus but also recognize the interconnectedness between them. True discipleship entails embracing the entirety of Jesus' ministry, embodying his love, grace, and humility in our daily lives.

In conclusion, the dialogue between Jesus and his disciples encapsulates the central themes of his ministry—divine authority, spiritual discernment, and the transformative power of his message. Through the metaphor of the tree and its fruit, Jesus implores us to look beyond superficial appearances and embrace the profound truth of his teachings. As we strive to embody the love and compassion of Christ, may we bear fruit that glorifies the true source of all wisdom and goodness.

Some say they bear good fruit but yet do not know the branch from which it hangs.

While others say they are the true and sturdy branch, but have not come to know the tree from which it stems from.

And then there are those that boast of them being the tree that holds the branches that bears the fruit, but do they themselves know of their roots that nourishes the tree

The same is that of those that say they are the roots and have no knowledge of the seed from which it derived from.

Christ Jesus is saying that he is the tree and his works are the fruit. While some loved the sweet fruit of his healings, forgiveness and peace they didn’t like the message of Truth. It was too difficult for them to swallow. There were others who loved Jesus’ message, but hated his miracles perhaps because it undermined the authority of the Pharisees. The main point is that the Judeans were always finding something wrong with either Jesus or his ministry. And it seems that even his followers were questioning his authority, which leads us right into the next passage.

The Discerning Fisherman Gospel of Thomas Saying 8

Gospel of Thomas Saying 8 Then he says: "A man is like a skilled fisherman who cast his net into the sea. He brought it up out of the sea full of little fishes, and among them the skilled fisherman found one that was big and excellent. He threw all the little fishes back into the sea; without hesitating he chose the big fish. He who was ears to hear, let him hear!

Title: The Discerning Fisherman: Unveiling the Truth in the Gospel of Thomas

In the enigmatic sayings of the Gospel of Thomas, Saying 8 presents a profound allegory, likening a man to a skilled fisherman casting his net into the sea. This metaphorical tale delves into the discernment required to navigate the sea of life's teachings and ideologies, ultimately choosing the truth, represented by the big fish, over lesser doctrines symbolized by the small fish.

Drawing parallels to the preceding Saying 7, which speaks of the transformation of the beast into a human being, Saying 8 emphasizes the process of shedding attachments to lesser desires in pursuit of the higher truth. It posits that true fulfillment lies in aligning oneself with the inmost heart's desire, transcending base instincts and material desires for a higher spiritual calling. This echoes themes found throughout the Bible, such as in Matthew 6:33, where Jesus urges his followers to seek first the kingdom of God.

The internal conflict described in Saying 8 reflects the struggle between the bestial or lower aspects of the soul and the inward man, symbolizing the battle between fleshly desires and spiritual aspirations. This echoes the apostle Paul's writings in Romans 7:15-25, where he laments the conflict between his desire to do good and the inclination towards sin.

Central to the allegory is the image of the big fish, representing the truth that one must prioritize above all else. This truth, akin to the Keys of Knowledge or hidden teachings of the Messiah, must be embraced wholeheartedly, requiring the rejection of all lesser doctrines and distractions. This echoes Jesus' teachings in Matthew 16:24-26, where he calls his disciples to deny themselves and take up their crosses to follow him.

The concept of the big fish as the heavenly man and the Christ-self aligns with Christian theology, emphasizing the importance of embodying Christ's teachings and character. Just as the fish is a symbol of Christ in Greek (Ichthus), believers are called to put on Christ, as articulated in Romans 13:14.

Expanding on the metaphor, the sea represents the diversity of human thought and belief systems, mirroring the multitude of tribes, tongues, peoples, and nations. The act of casting the net into the sea symbolizes the search for truth amidst the myriad ideologies of the world, reminiscent of Jesus' parables about the kingdom of heaven being like a net cast into the sea (Matthew 13:47).

The discerning fisherman, equipped with a discerning spirit, sifts through the sea of teachings, distinguishing between the small fish of lesser doctrines and the large fish of profound truth. This calls to mind the Bereans in Acts 17:11, who examined the Scriptures daily to discern the truth of Paul's teachings.

Ultimately, Saying 8 challenges individuals to heed the call to discernment, to listen with ears attuned to both the inward and outward teachings of truth. It underscores the importance of prioritizing the truth of Christ above all else, echoing Jesus' words in John 14:6, where he declares himself to be the way, the truth, and the life.

In conclusion, the Gospel of Thomas' Saying 8 offers a compelling allegory that invites contemplation on the pursuit of truth and the discernment required to navigate life's complexities. Rooted in biblical themes and teachings, it urges individuals to prioritize the truth of Christ above all else, guiding them on a path of spiritual enlightenment and fulfillment.

The man is the one who has consumed the lion transforming the beast into a human being. Such a person has let go the attachment to all lesser and petty desires in order to fulfill the inmost heart’s desire the higher desire, all desire energy drawn inward and upward into one holy desire passion for the Beloved. The difficulty and the internal conflict you experience in the form of desire and fear reflects the opposition between the bestial part of the soul or the female part of the soul and the inward man the male part of the soul. All sorrow and suffering comes from ignorance. In ignorance one cannot discern between lesser desires and the greater desire. Add more…..the power of ignorance dissolves along with the internal conflict

The great fish is a symbol of the truth already out there in the world when we find it we have to put it first in our lives to follow Jesus and give exclusive allegiance to him as God’s Messiah.
The big fish is the heavenly man and the Christ-self you must put on. It is Jesus Christ the son of God the saviour you must put on both morally and corporeal. And fish is a symbol of Christ Jesus: Greek: Ichthus Jesus Christ, son of God, saviour.

Some also think that man corresponds to the Kingdom and the fisherman to the net in Matthew. Alternatively, the man is the son of man who is like a wise fisherman the net into the sea is the harvest at the end of the age the great fish is the body of Christ the little ones are those who will be rejected.

8)# And He said, "The Kingdom is like a wise fisherman [one who seeks the truth prudently] who cast his net [neural net – used to sift through the water (thoughts and ideas of mankind by word or written)] into the sea [tribes, tongues, peoples and nations] and drew it up from the sea full of small fish [the works and teachings of men (in the lower/outward {fleshly} forms) who are without the life in them - i.e. from the numerous Judean and Christo-pagan denominations]. Among them the wise fisherman [one with a discerning spirit] found a fine large fish [the Keys of Knowledge (true hidden teachings) of Messiah]. He threw all the small fish back into the sea [discounted all of the religions of the world] and chose the large fish without difficulty [he recognized immediately that this truth was a prize worth keeping and the rest had to be discarded for their lack - this is "Christ in you the hope of glory"]. Whoever has ears [two ears so as to hear both upper/inward and lower/outward teachings - see V.33] to hear, let him hear [what the spirit is telling him]."