Friday, 14 December 2018

Know Thyself and the Devil Romans 7:18-21

Know Thyself and the Devil 
or 
Self Knowledge and the Devil 
Romans 7:18-21





Romans 7:18-21 New King James Version (NKJV)

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.


In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus tells us that finding the Kingdom is done by a person who "knows himself will discover this"



Gospel of Thomas Saying (3) Jesus said, "[If] those who lead you [say to you, 'See], the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky [will precede you. If they say that] it is under the earth, then the fish of the sea [will enter it, preceding] you. And, the [kingdom of God] is inside of you, [and it is outside of you. Whoever] knows [himself] will discover this. [And when you] come to know yourselves, [you will realize that] you are [sons] of the [living] father. [But if you] will [not] know yourselves, [you dwell] in [poverty] and it is you who are that poverty."



Knowing yourself is part of self examination when We examine ourselves we come to an understanding that our natural self is unclean or full of sin it is referred to as sinful flesh our natural self is our real adversary or Satan. Satan or the Devil is our Ego or the natural propensities of the flesh, that is "that physical principle of the animal nature, which is the cause of all its diseases, death, and resolution into dust. It is that in the flesh "which has the power of death;" (Hebrews 2:14) and it is called sin, because the development, or fixation, of this evil in the flesh, was the result of transgression." (Elpis Israel) 



The Devil is limitation of mind. The Devil in flesh is the rationalist or uncomprised intellectual who sees the universe as a blind mechanical force, acting in an arbitrary fashion imposing upon mankind an infinite variety of hardships and dis- eases. The Devil is that agency within us which sows seeds of fear and confusion and declares in no uncertain terms that – this is how life is! The Devil is a speaker of lies. (Man Know Thyself: Hermetic Qabalistic Keys to the Bible)


Ecclesiastes 10:2 A wise man’s heart is at his right hand, but a fool’s heart at his left I have suggested on :1 and :3 that Solomon has himself in view, dissecting his own spiritual collapse as he does in the preceding verses of Ecc. 9. So I suggest this too is him stating that he was not really the true "wise man" but the fool, because wisdom had been "far from me" (Ecc. 7:23). Here he puts it another way, in saying that a truly wise man has his heart at his right hand, under his control, with his wisdom in his heart. 


Whereas Solomon sees himself as the fool whose heart was not under his control, spiritual mindedness and psychological self discipline had not been practiced by him at all. And despite realizing that, he still doesn't repent. The Old Testament frequently speaks of man as having two "sides" to his character; one that wished to serve God, and the other which was rebellious. Ecc. 10:2 shows how that the spiritual man is not only aware of this, but he consciously acts to control these two sides: "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left". 



This kind of self-knowledge is sadly lacking in most human beings, and Solomon is admitting it had been lacking in himself. Proverbs 7,8 likewise has the picture of two women, personifying the flesh and spirit (Prov. 7:12 cp. 8:2,3). Against this Old Testament background, there developed a strong Jewish tradition that the right hand side of a man was his spiritual side, and the left hand side was the equivalent of the New Testament 'devil'. The Lord Jesus referred to this understanding when He warned: "Let not your left hand know what your right hand does" (Mt. 6:3)- implying that the good deeds of the spiritual man would be misused by the 'devil', e.g. in using them as grounds for spiritual pride.



“The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left” (Ecc. 10:2 NIV) has been understood as referring not so much to right and wrong, good and evil, as to the highest good and lesser good (cp. how the left hand can stand for simply lesser blessing rather than outright evil, e.g. Gen. 48:13-20). The fool inclines to lower commitment. The wise will always incline to the maximum, wholehearted level. And Solomon realizes that this is how he has been.  



Paul laments: "In me (that is, in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing...for the good that I would I do not...if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me" (Rom.7:18-21). Now he does not blame his sinning on an external being called the devil. He located his own evil nature as the real source of sin: "It is not I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law (within me), that, when I would do good, evil is present with (i.e. within) me". So he says that the opposition to being spiritual comes from something that he calls "sin dwelling in me". Every thoughtful, spiritually minded person will come to the same kind of self-knowledge. It should be noted that even a supreme Christian like Paul did not experience a change of nature after conversion, nor was he placed in a position whereby he did not and could not sin. The modern 'evangelical' movement claims that they are in such a position, and thereby place Paul well within the ranks of the 'unsaved' because of his statement here in Rom.7:15-21. These verses have proved a major difficulty for their claims. David, another undoubtedly righteous man,likewise commented upon the constant sinfulness of his very nature: "I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me" (Ps.51:5).



Realizing who ‘the Devil’ really is inspires us to more concretely fight against him. 


For we are our own worst enemy our own devil and an enemy against God. If  we follow the thinking of the flesh, (). So to “know yourself” is to know that it is our own evil heart that is the devil. ()


Our ego catapults self-interest to the forefront of our attention. Daily readings, Bible study and prayer suppress the power of the ego. Over a period of time the reflective mind, remembering the pain of past ego-driven mistakes, will grow in wisdom. But ego never disappears. It can only be suppressed and its power limited by the constant reintroduction of spiritual thinking.



The doctrine of the fallen angel devil tells us that we are not truly to blame. The evil in the world comes from outside us and in reality it is God who is to blame, since He can’t control His own angels. We are told God either doesn’t have the power or the will to stop this fallen angel, and therefore we suffer. This doctrine elevates the flesh and degrades the spirit.

If we wish to partake of God’s nature, we have to recognize the uncleanness of our own nature and reject it.



We must come to know our true self. Our true self is not the person of this world, but the one who was born of God. We are spiritually maturing and growing in knowledge of who we are. We may not be clearly seeing our true self (who is Christ) right now, but we will once we come to fully know and be our True self. We are God’s image that must become perfect like our heavenly Father this is our purpose to reflect the identity, character and glory and become the image of Christ, who is the true image of God. We can only do this in Christ where our true self (life) will be kept hidden in Christ Col 3:3, 4.

So in this light real poverty is when we do not know our true self in Christ. The use of the term 'poverty' is meant for life outside of true knowledge This is spiritual poverty where our minds are lost in deception and our hearts feel homeless because we have not returned to our Father’s house 1Cor 3:16 6:19 Eph 2:20-22 1Pet 2:5. Finally, Jesus says, “you are that poverty” Paul says that nothing good could come from him Rom 7:18 He said that “Paul” had died and Christ now lived in and through him Gal 2:20. Paul knew that his true life was found when he had the spirit of Christ, which is the mind of Christ and not the natural or worldly Paul.

Paul rebuked Corinth for their inability to know whether they had the christ-consciousness developed within them: "Know ye not...that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" (1Cor. 3:16). We must reckon ourselves dead to sin (Rom. 6:11). The Greek for "reckon" is that translated "impute" or "count", and which often appears in the surrounding chapters in Romans, speaking of how God "counts" us to be perfect. We must reckon ourselves as God reckons us.

the christ-consciousness is first born at baptism, but it is quite possible for it to lie dormant or even die unless it is nurtured. Almost all of us have discovered the presence of our real spiritual man some time after baptism. The spiritual self is begotten by the word, leading to the birth at baptism (2Cor 5:17; James 1:18; 1Pet. 1:23); yet it is the word which makes the " man of God" perfect or mature (2Tim. 3:16,17). Note that the " man of God" here probably refers to our inner spiritual self, rather than just being an description for the believer. In this case, 1Tim. 6:11 records Paul speaking to Timothy's spiritual man: " Thou, O man of God, flee these things". "Man of God" was a term used to describe the Old Testament prophets; it is as if Paul is addressing himself to the word-developed man within Timothy. We must likewise relate to the spiritual man within our brethren.

Moreover, this is how we become “sons of the living Father” (compare Thomas 49-50), which is to become like Jesus himself our example. We must have the same faith as Jesus as well as the same self-control just as Jesus needed it to be saved, so do we Heb 5:7, 8 also in the gospel of John it is Jesus who empowered true believers, so #Ec 5:19, 6:2. He gave them the privilege, the liberty, the dignity, which refers to the legitimate entitlement to the position of being called and becoming the sons of God. Israel was once the son and the first-born, #Ex 4:22: but now the adoption of sons to God was open and free to all nations whatever. By believing, undeserving sinners can become full members of God's family.


Wednesday, 12 December 2018

The Doctrine of Emanation



The doctrine of emanation



“All the emanations from the Father, therefore, are Pleromas, and all his emanations have their roots in the one who caused them all to grow from himself.” The Gospel of Truth, The Nag Hammadi Library


There are two emanations the first emanation is to about the self-realization of the Uncreated Eternal Spirit the second emanation is the manifestation of creation both the spiritual universe and the physical universe


This study will deal with the the second emanation the creation of the the physical universe


GOD AND HIS SPIRIT IN RELATION TO THE UNIVERSE


What is the meaning of the word spirit‭? ‬To what language does the word belong‭? ‬It is a Latin word,‭ ‬as,‭ “‬spiritus,‭” ‬a blowing,‭ ‬from‭ ‬spiro,‭ “‬to breathe,‭ ‬breathe out,‭ ‬exhale.‭” ‬Hence‭ ‬Spirit is that also which is exhaled.‭ ‬In the Greek,‭ ‬the word which answers to‭ ‬spirit is‭ ‬pneuma,‭ ‬which signifies the same as‭ ‬spiro.‭ ‬In the Hebrew it is‭ ‬ruach.‭ ‬But these words,‭ ‬while they tell us that they stand for something radiated or exhaled,‭ ‬do not tell us what the essence or substance of the exhalation,‭ ‬or radiation,‭ ‬is.‭ ‬It may be air in motion,‭ ‬or wind,‭ ‬breath,‭ ‬electricity,‭ ‬or some other agent.‭ ‬What it is the word represents,‭ ‬depends upon something more than etymology can supply.‭ ‬The words ‬ruach,‭ ‬pneuma,‭ ‬spiritus and‭ ‬spirit do not signify the same thing in all places where they occur‭; ‬still,‭ ‬whatever the thing is,‭ ‬the radical idea is a motion outwards‭ ‬from,‭ ‬into.



The first place in the Bible where the word occurs is in‭ ‬Gen.‭ i. ‬2.‭ ‬Here it is‭ ‬ruach Elohim,‭ ‬a principle going out of,‭ ‬or from,‭ ‬the Mighty Ones.‭ ‬What could this be‭? ‬It may be known by its effects.‭ “‬It brooded upon the face of the waters,‭”—‬of the waters which in the primeval state of the earth,‭ ‬covered its entire surface.‭ ‬This brooding principle covered the surface and penetrated its substance in all its atoms,‭ ‬so that it was only necessary for the word of command to go forth from the Mighty,‭ ‬and whatever might be commanded would be done.



‬Everything was made by this brooding principle as the executive of divine Wisdom.‭ “‬By His spirit he hath garnished the heavens‭;” “‬He sendeth forth his spirit‭; ‬they are created,‭” ‬even all the things detailed by Moses.‭ ‬Hence,‭ ‬Job says,‭ “‬the‭ ‬ruach of‭ ‬Ail hath made me,‭ ‬and the‭ ‬Nishmah of SHADDAI hath given me life.‭ ‬The Spirit is,‭ ‬therefore,‭ ‬formative.‭ ‬It is creative power.‭ ‬It made the light‭; ‬it divided the vapours from the waters by an expanse‭; ‬gathered the waters together in the place of seas‭; ‬formed the vegetable world‭; ‬established the astronomy of the heavens‭; ‬developed the animal kingdom‭; ‬and executed the whole so satisfactorily that the work was pronounced‭ “‬very good.‭”



When we contemplate‭ ‬spirit through these results,‭ ‬we behold an Almighty power which is predicated of AIL—the‭ ‬spirit of Ail.‭ ‬But what is AIL‭? ‬Etymologically,‭ ‬it is‭ ‬strength,‭ ‬might,‭ ‬power.‭ ‬Hence the‭ ‬Spirit of AIL is a powerful emanation,‭ ‬or‭ ‬breathing forth of power.‭ ‬ALMIGHTY POWER is the fountain and origin of the universe,‭ “‬out of whom are all things‭” ‬says Paul‭ (‬1‭ ‬Cor.‭ viii. ‬6‭)‬.‭ ‬He also tells us that the fountain of Omnipotence is a glorious and torrid centre‭; ‬a centre that cannot be approached by man,‭ ‬and the dwelling place of an invisible,‭ ‬intelligent,‭ ‬and deathless being‭ (‬1‭ ‬Tim.‭ vi. ‬16‭)‬.‭



This is AIL—all-wise,‭ ‬all-powerful,‭ ‬all-seeing,‭ ‬and all-knowing.‭ ‬There is only one such in the wide-extended universe.‭ ‬He is life and incorruptibility,‭ ‬and never was anything else.‭ ‬Here is a wonderful being,‭ ‬corporeal intelligence that hath always existed,‭ ‬and out of whom,‭ ‬as‭ “‬THE FATHER,‭” ‬all things have been produced.‭ ‬But of what does his substance consist‭? ‬What his nature‭? ‬What is he‭?



‭ “‬HE IS SPIRIT.‭”


These are the words of Jesus,‭ ‬who knew what he affirmed.‭ ‬AIL is spirit,‭ ‬and there is a spirit of AIL—the fountain and the stream are both spirit,‭ ‬and hold a like relation that radiant caloric does to iron glowing with a white heat.‭ ‬But what is the glowing substance of Deity‭? ‬That which shall be manifested in the saints when they become spirit,‭ ‬for they shall be like him who is in the bosom of the Father.‭ “‬Deity is spirit,‭” ‬and to convey our conception to the reader of this substance,‭ ‬we would style it‭ ‬corporeal electricity.‭


We behold the lightning’s flash‭; ‬we see its almighty effect upon rocks and trees,‭ ‬and we perceive its universality‭; ‬still of its‭ ‬essence,‭ ‬we are ignorant.‭ ‬Our words and definitions leave this untouched.‭ ‬But whatever the essence may be,‭ ‬that corporeal essence is God,‭ ‬and the same incorporeal and radiant essence is the spirit of God.‭


Electricity or lightning is a Bible symbol for spirit.‭ ‬Ezekiel,‭ ‬son of man,‭ ‬priest and prophet,‭ ‬had‭ ‬visions of Elohim,‭ ‬who are,‭ ‬when manifested,‭ ‬spirit,‭ ‬being all of them post-resurrectionally begotten,‭ ‬and born out of spirit,‭ ‬and consequently consubstantial with the Father,‭ ‬who is spirit.‭ ‬In these visions of spirit,‭ ‬then,‭ ‬Ezekiel saw the living ones or Elohim come forth out of the midst of fire and brightness.‭ ‬His description in chap.‭ i. ‬4,‭ ‬is symbolical of‭ ‬1‭ ‬Tim.‭ vi. ‬16.‭ ‬What we call electricity,‭ ‬for want of a better word,‭ ‬in glowing combustion,‭ ‬he terms‭ “‬fire and brightness.‭”


‬In beholding the electrically-generated beings born of the Ezekiel fire,‭ ‬he says‭ “‬Whither the spirit was to go,‭ ‬they went,‭” ‬because they will be spirit,‭ ‬so that wherever they may be,‭ ‬there,‭ ‬necessarily,‭ ‬corporeal-spirit will be.‭ ‬And,‭ ‬as for the likeness of the living creatures,‭ ‬says he,‭ “‬their appearance was like burning coals of fire,‭ ‬and like the appearance of lamps‭; ‬it went up and down among the living creatures‭; ‬and the fire was bright,‭ ‬and out of the fire went forth lightning‭” ‬or flaming electricity.‭ “‬And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.‭”


In scriptural discourse, "electricity" is termed spirit, because it is radiated, or sent forth, from the substance of Almighty Power, after the tropical analogy of blowing, breathing, or exhaling. This idea is illustrated by the iron excited to white heat, or the magnet. These are solid substances, but within a certain radius, they are enveloped in an atmosphere of light and heat, or of magnetism. This atmosphere may represent the radiant power, or spirit, of the Deity; and the glowing iron and magnet, the radiating power, or substance, called DEITY. 


Here, then, is spirit free, radiant, or uncombined ; and spirit in substance, corporeal, bodily existence. The latter is the original condition of spirit. It was not originally free or diffused through space, and at some particular epoch condensed, reduced to a bodily form, and individualized.


To affirm this, would be to affirm the existence of abstract intelligent power antecedent to the Hypostasis, or substance, the exact representation of which Jesus Anointed is declared now to be. No, the Substantial Father has always been substance, and has had no incorporeal predecessor in wisdom and power.


His nature is the substratum, or basis, of all conceivable existences, animate or inanimate, in all the universe ; for they are all created out of his spirit, and that spirit radiates out of his substance. It is always subordinate to His will; and accomplishes that only whereunto it is sent. Hence, it does not act independently of the radiating power. Nothing, therefore, happens by chance in the operation of the spirit.


The wisdom that ordains is in the Father; and the wisdom that executes is in the power radiating from him. This is illustrated by the fact (and we have verified the fact by experiment) that a man may simply will actions to be performed by another at a distance ; and his will, though unexpressed in words or gesture, will be done. If any action result, it will not be contrary to the will, nor can it be. It is impossible, likewise, for the spirit of the Deity to execute contrary to the will of the Deity. Hence, " THE SON," or Spirit- Emanation from the Father-Spirit-Substance, " can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do," or will; " for whatsoever he doeth," or wills," "these also doeth," or executeth, "the Son likewise"—John v. 19.


The distinction made by "philosophers" between "matter" and "spirit" is artificial, and does not obtain in scripture.The Father is matter, or substance, but he is spirit also; for that matter of which he consists, and which constitutes his nature, is spirit. This being the fact, matter is eternal. But this by no means implies that the forms of matter arc eternal likewise; for that would be to affirm that the Creator was not antecedent to his works. The dispute, then,, upon the question whether spirit existed before matter, or matter before spirit, is a vain controversy; and indicative of the ignoranee of the "philosophers" on both sides. 


The one had no precedence of the other, being essentially the same. Hence matter is not essentially evil, or coiTupt and mortal; nor is it incapable of thought. The Divine Power is matter, but, though he creates evil, he is not evil,  nor corruptible and mortal. There is,therefore, no force nor reason in the argument that a thing is immortal because it is immaterial, or not matter. Whatever exists is matter. Electricity is as much matter as a block of marble, the only difference is, that it is matter in a different form. Hence the immaterial is the non-existent, or nothing. To say, then, that a thing is immortal because it is immaterial, is to ailirm that it is immortal because it is nothing, or does not exist; which is the demonstration of the wisest thinking of the flesh—" the wisdom of the world " condemned as folly, working death in all that are deceived by it.


There is no part of the boundless universe where the spirit of the Divine Power is not. It pervades the atoms of all bodies and is everywhere. Hence the inquiry of Christ in prophecy, " Whither shall I go from thy spirit ? Or whither shall I flee from thy presence ? If I ascend into heaven thou art there; if I make my bed in the grave, behold thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; even there shall thine hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. If I shall say surely the darkness shall cover me, even the night shall be light about me. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thec; but the night shineth as the day; the darkness and the light are both alike to thee."—Ps. exxxix. 7-14. 


This proves what we have said, and teaches that, in a general sense, allcreatures are in the presence of the Creator; that they arc so in being contiguous to his spirit: for, as fish live, and move, and have their being in the waters, so all animals and men " live, and move, and have their being " in spirit of God. Upon this natural principle it is that Paul declared to the heathen philosophers that God is "not far from every one of us"; and that Jesus said," a sparrow shall not \ fall on the ground without the Father." Hence, in the natural or physical sense, all creatures have the spirit, and cannot live without it; so that as Job says, " If He gather to himself his spirit and his breath, all flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust"—xxxiv. 14. Spirit develops the organism of all creatures, and preserves it from disorganization.


It is what pathologists term the vis medicatrix natwras; and physiologists, " the vital principle." When the spirit and breath of the Creator are withdrawn from a man or a sparrow, there remain no healing power and vitality in their several bodies; and the immediate tendency in them is to corruption and dust. Hence, all creatures in the air, earth, and seas, are spirit-farms. The types or patterns, after which they were created were all in the mind of Deity before they were created; and when they were formed, the formation was out of spirit-matter and by spirit according to pattern. Every creature is therefore a spirit in this sense; but not necessarily immortal because a spirit. The immortality of a spirit depends upon the constitution of the matter or substance of the peculiar form. A spirit form of a flesh and blood organization is essentially mortal and corruptible; for death and corruption are peculiar to that material constitution. The " spirits in prison " Peter speaks of, were flesh and blood organizations turned again into dust, consequent upon the Deity gathering to himself his spirit and breath. · 


His free spirit withdrawn, and the cohesive affinity of their substance departed, and its gaseous elements entered into new combinations, destructive of the forms, termed man, cattle, fowl, and so forth. Hence the Deity is styled by Moses in Numb, xxvii. 16, " YAHWEII, Elohim of the spirits of all flesh " : that is, the spirit self-styled HE SIIALL BE, is the powers of all flesh-emanations of hi9 power. The spirit-power of the lion is the power of Jehovah; and so of all other creatures. Hence the facility with wThich he can open and shut their fierce and voracious mouths, as in the case of Daniel and his persecutors. This universal diffusion of spirit places all created things in telegraphic communication with the will of the Deity. What he wills needs not batteries and wires for transmission. He has but to will and it is instantaneously responded to according to his purpose, though the locality where obedience is required be distant from his throne a hundred millions of miles. Take these two points, the throne of the Universe, and the earth we inhabit, as the two extremities of the line—the Deity at the one end, and we at the other. The intermediate space is filled with his " free spirit," radiant from his substance, and incarnately organic in all his creatures.

What we call "time" is unnecessary for the transmission of ideas. The Deity is not a being of time. He has not to move from where he is to be where he would be; for he is everywhere by spirit, and fills all. Hence his will at the throne is his will at the same instant on earth; for his intelligence and wisdom are as universal as his power and only require his will to be exercised for their manifestation in every part of his wide domain.


Now, in studying the subject of spirit we must consider it severally in its relations to things physical and natural; andto things intellectual and moral, or spiritual in a special sense. As we have seen, all mankind and animals generally are the subject of the operation of the spirit; but it is only a certain class of mankind that is operated upon in the special sense by which individuals are brought iilto harmony with the moral attributes of Deity.



The ideas and thoughts of the Deity are as much spirit as this physical power.His thoughts are moral power breathed forth in his words, and that is spirit, even as the lightning breathed forth, or radiant, from his substance is spirit. His thoughts breathed forth or revealed in any way he may determine constitute uthe truth1*, and therefore the truth is spirit. Hence, the Lord Jesus said,u My words arc spirit"; and the apostle John says, " The spirit is the truth." To produce physical results, such as raising the dead, curing the sick, speaking with tongues, speaking by inspiration, and so forth, material power or spirit is required; but when purely moml results are the things desired, the truth is the spirit that operates upon the heart.


Notes

hypostasis

(Colossians 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

Heb 1:3 3 who being the brightness of the glory, and the impress of His subsistence (5287 ὑπόστασις hypostasis hoop-os’-tasis), bearing up also the all things by the saying of his might — through himself having made a cleansing of our sins, sat down at the right hand of the greatness in the highest,

5287 ὑπόστασις hypostasis hoop-os’-tasis

hypostasis

an underlying reality (pleroma) or substance, as opposed to attributes or to that which lacks substance (kenoma)


So the Deity has a substance this substance is spirit

Electricity

Deity is spirit that is corporeal energy or electricity or dark matter (Exodus 20:21) (Deuteronomy 4:11) (1Kings 8:12) (Psalms 18:11) (Psalms 97:2) (1 Corinthians 4:5) (Job 22:11-14)

from these texts above it appears that God resides in thick darkness and in heaven, so heaven arguably must equate to thick darkness.

dark matter and/or energy in our universe may actually be described as the abode of spiritual creation in the scriptures, i.e. the place where God and his spiritual sons actually live and from where they can observe and interact with us

The second holy spirit is a group of angels

The second holy spirit is a group of angels called the church or the Jerusalem above

The holy spirit is described by John as the helper:

26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you (John 14).
But Adam's wife was described in the same way:

18 And Jehovah God went on to say: It is not good for the man to continue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him (Genesis 2).

*Now we know that Yahweh is the husband to Israel and the lamb is the husband of the 144’000 Isa 54:5 Jer 31:32 Rev 19:8,9

So the holy spirit is a compound wife 'corporation', or 'incorporated' means a lot of people regarded as one body.  that is a group Collective

In fact God's wife is likewise 144,000 sanctified angels who as a group make up the holy spirit, the house of God, his church.


Angels are spirits 
4 Making his angels [his messengers] spirits, his ministers a devouring fire (Psalm 104).

13 But with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said: Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth on behalf of those who are going to inherit salvation? (Hebrews 1).

31 And he proceeded to fill him with the spirit of God in wisdom, in understanding and in knowledge and in every sort of craftsmanship (Exodus 35).

Since the holy spirit imparts wisdom it must be an intelligent being or beings. Likewise we can deduce that the holy spirit is a living intelligent thing because it can plead for us:

26 In like manner the spirit also joins in with help for our weakness; for the [problem of] what we should pray for as we need to we do not know, but the spirit itself pleads/intercedes for us with groanings unuttered (Romans 8).

The holy spirit does God's ministering and contains ministers, who are holy (sanctified) spirits plural. So the holy spirit is a group of angels.

Hence Paul said:

26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother (Galatians 4).

The Jerusalem above is God's heavenly administration which is made up of all the archangels, which is all of the holy spirits. Paul explicitly states that these angels are our Mother, for they give birth to all the new angels. Now mother's plead with father's not to be too hard on errant sons. And that is precisely the meaning of Romans 8:26, the holy spirit interceding with God for the sanctified ones, is the mother interceding with the father for her sons

Heb 1: 14  Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Mt 12:50  For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Lk 7:35 All the same, wisdom is proved righteous by all its children.”

Thus we can speak of the true believers who is conceived by the spirit-word and by the holy spirit, so as to give birth to the will of the Father, is the Mother of Jesus. And Isaiah tells us 62:5: “so shall thy sons marry thee.
The Jerusalem above is the Mother of us all (saints) including the King the Lord Jesus Christ in a spiritual sense for the Jerusalem above is made up of all true believers.

the brethren are the bride of Christ and the Mother is the Sarah Covenant styled “the Jerusalem above the Mother of us all” (Gal 4:26).

the newly born had been begotten by the spirit word (1Pet 1:23). after the birth (jn 3:3,5), it was the duty of the mother (Ecclesia) to nourish the new-born babe with the milk of the word (1Pet 2:2), supplementing it with stronger food as it developed

The Jerusalem above the Mother of us all including the King the Lord Jesus Christ is made up of  all the true believers. And she is the worthy woman of Proverbs 31, of whom it is said: “Many daughters have done righteously, but you out shined them all.“

22  but ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable hosts of angels,
23  to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24  and to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaketh better than that of Abel.

God does refer to a whole nation of people as one person...

22 And you must say to Pharaoh: This is what Jehovah has said: Israel is my son, my firstborn (Exodus 4).

He also refers to the entire church as Jesus' wife, one person in the singular...

22 Let wives be in subjection to their husbands as to the Lord,
23 because a husband is head of his wife as the Christ also is head of the congregation, he being a savior of [that] body.
24 In fact, as the congregation is in subjection to the Christ, so let wives also be to their husbands in everything (Ephesians 5).

So the whole congregation is regarded as being one body, one wife.


The old testament often refers to God as Jehovah of armies or Jehovah of hosts. Well he had an army on earth in the form of the men of Israel. And he had an army in heaven in the form of his holy spirit. For an army is a large collective that acts as an individual.


Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to Me. And whoever does [not] love his father and his mother as I do cannot become a [disciple] to Me. For My mother [gave me falsehood], but [My] true [Mother] gave me life."

The Saviour himself said: Just now my mother, the Holy Spirit, took me by one of my hairs [an angel who ministered to Jesus  after his sacrifice Jesus would have the promised headship of the holy spirit ] and carried me up to the great mountain, Tabor (Gospel of the Hebrews).


So the Holy Spirit is Jesus’ mum.

The Deep/Depth or Bythos Romans 11:33

A Study of Bythos





First a reading from some Gnostic text

He transcends all wisdom, and is above all intellect, and is above all glory, and is above all beauty, and all sweetness, and all greatness, and any depth and any height. The Tripartite Tractate

“While they (the members of the church) were in the Father's thought, that is, in the hidden depth, the depth knew them, but they were unable to know the depth in which they were; nor was it possible for them to know themselves, nor for them to know anything else.” (Tripartate Tractate)


The Greek word Bythos and bathos is used in the bible to describe the unfathomable ways, and nature of the Deity

Rom 11:33  O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

1037. βυθός 

The Deep or Depth Bythos


1037. βυθός buthos boo-thos’; a variation of 899; depth, i.e. (by implication) the sea: —  deep. 


1037. βυθός from 899 βάθος bathos bath’-os 


899 βάθος from the same as 901; n n; TDNT-1:517,89;  {See TDNT 118 } 


AV-depth 5, deep 1, deep + 2596 1, deepness 1, deep thing 1; 9 


1) depth, height 

1a) of "the deep" sea 
1b) metaph. 
1b1) deep, extreme, poverty 
1b2) of the deep things of God 


899. βάθος bathos bath’-os; from the same as 901; profundity, i.e. (by implication) extent; (figuratively) mystery: —  deep(-ness, things), depth. 



[in LXX: Exodus 15:5Nehemiah 9:11 (H4688), Psalms 68:22Psalms 69:2Psalms 107:24 (H4688)*;]
1. the bottom.
2. the depth of the sea, the deep sea: 2 Corinthians 11:25.†

Strong #: 4688 ‑ מְצוּלָה ((1,2) mets‑o‑law', (3,4) mets‑oo‑law');  4688 ‑ מְצוּלָה ((1,2) mets‑o‑law', (3,4) mets‑oo‑law'); 


The True Hebrew word corresponding to Bythos is Tehom (Hebrew: תְּהוֹם‬)


Rom 8:39  Nor height, nor depth <899>, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

"Nor depth" — Whilst pride may lift us up, destroying our humility before God and dependence upon Him, so a feeling of humiliating depression, which may result from failure or defeat, can have a similarly destructive effect, if permitted to influence us. We may feel that God has failed us, that He does not care for us. We may question the goodness οϊ God, or experience degrading ridicule or rejection by our fellows. Faith and hope provide the antidote to either "height" or "depth". Even the dreadful affliction which befell the faithful Job was not able to "separate him from the love of God" (cp. Job 19:25)


Rom 11:33  O the depth <899> of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

God's judgments are a "great deep" (Psa 36:6). His "riches" refer to His abounding grace (Rom 9:23; 10:12). Cp also Eph 3:18,19: "...How wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge -- that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God."


Yahweh's children must manifest the same characteristic, revealing a depth of wisdom of such matters lodged in the heart (Deut. 10:16-19; Joel 2:12-13), not judging the issues of life through the "face" of the flesh


These are seen by a very careful examination of the divine excellence. The word "depth" (Gr. bathos signifies that which is profound; mysterious) indicates that which is vast and incomprehensible (see Psa. 36:6; ICor. 2:20). Mortal man cannot exhaust the greatness of the Almighty, as Job was reminded: ch. 38. The physical evidence of this majesty is seen as much in the vast expanse of the universe, as in the exquisite beauty of the tiniest flower petal.


1Cor 2:10  But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things <899> of God.

Psa 92:5  O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.


Eph 3:18  May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth <899>, and height;

Eph 3:18 in order that YOU may be thoroughly able to grasp mentally with all the holy ones what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of the Christ which surpasses knowledge, that YOU may be filled with all the fullness that God gives.

The word depth is applied in the Scriptures to anything vast and incomprehensible. As the abyss or the ocean is unfathomable, so the word comes to denote that which words cannot express, or that which we cannot comprehend. #Ps 36:6, “Thy judgments are a great deep.” #1Co 2:10, “The Spirit searcheth — the deep things of God.”

The deep or depth is the waters above the Heavens 

Ge 1:7  And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Psa 148:4  Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.


Ps 104:3  Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:

The deep or depth is also used to describe the deity

Psa 92:5  O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.


Psa 107:24  These see the works of the LORD, and his wonders in the deep.

The Holy Spirit Described As Water

John 7:37-39
Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'" But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Isaiah 44:3
'For I will pour out water on the thirsty land And streams on the dry ground; I will pour out My Spirit on your offspring And My blessing on your descendants;

John 4:14
but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

The word Pleroma means "fullness". It refers to all existence beyond visible universe. The Parent, the the Mother-Father, the Uncreated Eternal Spirit existed prior to the creation or emanation of the Pleroma. Therefore Bythos or the Uncreated Eternal Spirit is beyond the Pleroma. In other words the Pleroma is the world of the Aeons, the heaven of heavens or spiritual universe. Bythos is the spiritual source of everything that emanates the pleroma.

The Pleroma is both the abode of and the essential nature of the True Ultimate God.



Jer 2:13  For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.



Jer 17:13  O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.


The river in Psalm 46:4 signifies the flowing of the One true Deity cp. Psa. 36:8-9 John 4:14 John 7:38-39 Rev. 22:17

All those who came forth from him <who> are the aeons of the aeons, being emanations and offspring of <his> procreative nature, they too, in their procreative nature, have <given> glory to the Father, as he was the cause of their establishment. This is what we said previously, namely that he creates the aeons as roots and springs and fathers, and that he is the one to whom they give glory. The Tripartite Tractate

They were forever in thought, for the Father was like a thought and a place for them. When their generations had been established, the one who is completely in control wished to lay hold of and to bring forth that which was deficient in the [...] and he brought forth those [...] him. But since he is as he is, he is a spring, which is not diminished by the water which abundantly flows from it. While they were in the Father's thought, that is, in the hidden depth, the depth knew them, but they were unable to know the depth in which they were; nor was it possible for them to know themselves, nor for them to know anything else. The Tripartite Tractate

The Father brought forth everything, like a little child, like a drop from a spring, like a blossom from a vine, like a flower, like a <planting> [...], in need of gaining nourishment and growth and faultlessness. The Tripartite Tractate

The Deity who is Light, and with whom is no darkness at all (1 John 1:5), and who is the great Fountain of life (Psa. 39:9), out of whom are all things (1 Cor. 8:6). "From everlasting to everlasting Thou art AIL" (Psa. 90:2). Ail, or El, as it is most frequently transliterated, is the Hebrew word that stands for God in this place. It denotes Power. Power, light, and life, inherent and underived, are the attributes of the Father who is Spirit (John 4:24); 
The source or fountain of power in the universe is one. It is a unit. Therefore, everything which exists is ex autou out of (emanation) Him. Hence the Creator did not "make all things out of nothing." 


The Supreme Power, or Ail, is "the Godhead," or source, fountain, or sole spring of Power. Moses and the prophets do not teach that "there are three persons, three essences, three somethings, or three anythings, in the Godhead; and that these three distinct units, or unities, constitute only one unit or one Unity -- and that that Tri-Unity is the God of Israel." They do not teach this.



By Godhead is meant the source, spring, or fountain of Deity -- the Divine Nature in its original pre-existence before every created thing. He teaches that this Godhead was a Unit --a Homogeneous Unit, undivided into thirds, or fractions.


Moses and the prophets teach "One" self-existent, supreme fountain of Power, AIL who is Spirit, and self-named I SHALL BE, or Yahweh: that is ONE YAHWEH-SPIRIT POWER is "God" in the highest sense, and constitutes the "Godhead," or FATHER IN HEAVEN; and He is the Springhead of many streams, or rivers of spirit, which assume "organic forms," according to the will of the Yahweh-Spirit Power, and that when formed after the model, archetype, or the pattern, presented in HIS OWN HYPOSTASIS, or Substance, they become SPIRIT-ELOHIM, or sons of God; and are Spirit, because "born of the Spirit" -- Emanations of the formative Spirit being out of him. The Spirit-Elohim was also "God"; nevertheless they are created. They are formed and made out of and by that which is uncreated. They are Spirit-Forms, the substance of which (spirit) is eternal; while the forms are from a beginning. Each one is a God in the sense of partaking of THE DIVINE NATURE, and being therefore a Son of God.

the Scripture declares that pneuma ho Theos esti literally, Spirit is the Theos. I say simply theos, because we shall yet have to ascertain the New Testament sense of Theos. "Spirit," then, is the Theos commonly called God. But more than this, this Spirit is the Father; that is, the One ex autou, out of (emanation) whom are all things. This appears from what is affirmed of "Spirit" and of "Father." Jesus says in John 5:21: "The Father raises up the dead and quickeneth," or makes the grave-emergent dead incorruptibly living: and in chapt. 6:63, he says: "It is the Spirit that quickeneth," or makes alive. The Father and the Spirit are, therefore, the same; nevertheless, the word "spirit" is often used in other senses. It is the "Father-Spirit" that Paul refers to in 1 Tim. 6:16, whom no man hath seen in His unveiled splendour. Veiled in flesh, "the Vail o[ the Covering" (Exodus 35:12): he that discerneth him who spoke to Philip, "saw the Father" (John 14:9; 12:45). But, veiled or unveiled, the Father-Spirit is substantial. Speaking of the Unveiled Father-Spirit, Paul says in Heb. 1:2, 3, that the Son is the Character of his Hypostasis, rendered, in the common version, "express image of his person."

Proverbs 8:22 ¶ Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24 When there were no depths Bythos, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains (Pleroma) abounding with water (Aeons). (As the ‘immeasurable deep’: “After these things there is another place which is broad, having hidden within it a great wealth which supplies the All. This is the immeasurable deep.)” 
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens (Pleroma), I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth (Bythos):
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:


29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:



The Untitled Text in the Bruce Codex

This is the ennead which came from the Father of those without beginning, who alone is Father and Mother unto himself, whose pleroma surrounds the twelve deeps -



1. The first deep is the all-wise from which all sources have come.

2. The second deep is the all-wise from which all the wise have come.

3. The third deep is the all-mystery from which, or out of which, all mysteries have come.

4. The fourth deep moreover is the all-gnosis out of which all gnoses have come.

5. The fifth deep is the all-chaste from which everything chaste has come.

6. The sixth deep is silence. In this is every silence.

7. The seventh deep is the insubstantial door from which all substances has come forth.

8. The eight deep is the forefather from whom, or out of whom, have come into existence all forefathers.

9. The ninth deep moreover is an all-father and a self-farther, that is, every fatherhood is in him and he alone is father to them.

10. The tenth deep is the all-powerful from which has come every power.

11. The eleventh deep moreover is that in which is the first invisible one, from which all invisible ones have come.

12. The Twelfth deep moreover is the truth from which has come all truth.

http://www.gnosis.org/library/untitl.htm

From the Untitled Text in the Bruce Codex we can see that the deep has a number of different levels or it is structured as a hierarchy

Monday, 10 December 2018

The Multitudinous Christ Revelation 1

The vision concerns one like unto the Son of Man, displayed as a man of many parts, obviously symbolises the multitudinous Christ, of whom the Lord himself is the Head of the Body and the Alpha and Omega

The son of man is a Corporate Being

Verse 13 - "In the midst … one like unto the Son of Man." Not actually the Lord Jesus Christ himself, but a symbolic vision representing the "one body" of Christ multitudinous, the "perfect man " (Eph. 4:13), "the measure of the fullness of the stature of Christ." The voice was "as the sound of many waters," and waters in the vision represent multitudes (17:15).

Each member of that glorious, multitudinous Body will be "like him" (1 John 3:2). The title
Son of Man is very significant. It not only denotes origin, in that every member will be a descendant of Adam, but is also the title of the Lord as judge (John 5:27), and the vision reveals the multitudinous Christ in the work of judgement.

The prophecy of the Son of Man recorded in Daniel 7 (cp. v. 13) is one of judgement.

"Clothed." The first clothing was a covering for sin (Gen. 3:21). The clothing of the priesthood was symbolic of righteousness and a change from the mortal to the divine nature (compare Zech. 3:3-10). Christ's "servants" "put on Christ" in baptism, and if they walk as he walked, they will be "clothed upon” with their "house which is from heaven," that mortality may be swallowed up of life (2 Cor. 5:2,4). Compare Rev. 19:8.


Verse 14 - "His hairs were white like wool, white as snow." The hair represents a multitude who are one with the head. The Lamb of God has washed this multitude from their sins in his own blood. See Isa. 1:18; contrast Isa. 7:20; also see Ezek. 5:1-6; Jer. 7:29; Dan. 7:9. Christ is the head of the
multitudinous body (1 Cor. 11:3; Eph. 5:23), every member of which should be motivated by His thinking (Phil. 2:5). Ultimately every member of the Body must appear as he is, and be united as one to the head (John 17:21).

"His eyes as a flame of fire." "Our God is a consuming fire." The eyes represent the saints in the execution of the judgements written. Compare the wheels of Ezekiel 1; the stone of Zech. 3:9, and the living creatures of Rev. 4. eyes of the multitudinous Christ as flashing with anger. The stubborn wickedness of the world will induce this reaction, so that the "people of the name" (Acts 15:14), are represented as going forth in anger to discipline it (Isa. 30:27). The saints will "execute the judgments written"

In the past, the angels have acted as the eyes of Yahweh, supervising the development and destiny of men and nations for the ultimate benefit of the elect (see Gen. 11:5; 18:21; 2 Chron. 16:9; Dan. 4:17). In the future age, the saints will occupy that position (Zech. 4:10; Heb. 2:5).

"His voice as the sound of many waters," showing that the symbolic ''one like unto the Son of Man'' represents a multitude. "The wicked are like the troubled sea." The purified nations are like "a sea of glass" (Rev. 15:2). "The waters … are peoples" (17:15). But these waters are saved peoples "redeemed from the earth" (14:2,3).


"Out of his mouth a sharp two-edged sword." Another evidence that it is not the Lord Jesus personally that John sees. A real person would have had the sword in the hand like "the captain of Yahweh's army" before Jericho (Josh. 5:13). The word of the Lord will command the sword of judgement in the day of his coming. "He shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall slay the wicked" (Isa. 11:4). Compare Rev. 19:15.

"His countenance as the sun." Not merely his face - his "whole appearance"  (Rotherham), the "general external aspect of the whole figure" (Dr. Thomas).

Compare the Transfiguration, and the words of Jesus, "then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father" (Matt. 13:43). He is "the Sun of Righteousness," and they are to be "like him". His brightness was above that of the sun when he revealed himself to Saul of Tarsus. His aspect was "very terrible." Sun scorching is a figure of tribulation, whether for the saints or for their enemies (7:16; 16:8,9).


Verse 16 - "In his right hand seven stars," explained to represent the "angels" of the churches - that is, the men sent of God to guide and direct them.

The stars are the "angels," and the candlesticks are the churches. "Angel" here, as will appear later, is a noun of multitude, and does not signify one individual. 

Wednesday, 28 November 2018

Twenty-four prophets spoke in Israel The Gospel of Thomas 52




52) His disciples said to Him, "Twenty-four prophets spoke in Israel, and all of them spoke of You." He said to them, "You have omitted the one living in your presence and have spoken (only) of the dead."

The Gospel of Thomas says 24 Jewish prophets spoke of Jesus. How can this be, if the Old Testament God is bad?

This saying does not suggest that we should deny in any way the Hebrew scriptures for the presence and coming of Christ shows that the prophets to be truly prophets

The number of prophets corresponds to the number of books in the Hebrew Bible.

Throughout the New Testament it is emphasized that Christ has fulfilled the Old Testament Scriptures: 'To him all the prophets bear witness' (Acts 10:43).

the one living in your presence or the living one this could be pointing forward to the resurrection. The living one literally this is the living Jesus that is the resurrected Jesus, rom 6:10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

Jesus also lives though his sayings, and all true believers are the living Jesus. To become the living Jesus, you must empty yourself of yourself and let the spirit that is the mind of Christ (his character) fill you. Dying to yourself so that you can be reborn of the spirit as the living Jesus. We must experience the same conception, gestation, and birth as the living Jesus so that we might be his twin (Mt 3:17 Mk 1:11 Lk 3:22 Ps 2:7 89:27)

See saying 108 Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I, too, will become that person, and to that person the obscure things will be shown forth."

Another understanding would be that the living one Jesus is speaking about is John the Baptist, living in his generation John was the 25th of the great prophets and secondly he is speaking of himself the 26th, fulfilling the prophets and manifesting the Divine presence and power of the holy name Yahweh.

Yahweh has the numerical value of twenty-six YHVH=Yod 10 He 5 Vav 6 He 5 these 4 Hebrew letters add up to 26 Jesus had the Divine name Jn 17:11,12 phil 2:5-9 Jesus made the name known to others that is the teaching about God manifested in flesh.

Ultimately Jesus is not speaking about John or the prophet (himself) but he is speaking about the holy spirit the spirit of the Deity. Each of the prophets had the holy spirit for all the prophets spoke by the holy spirit which is the power of God that works within then and through them so God dwelled among them the Living One in your presence. which is called the living word

The disciples had spoken correctly. All of the prophets had spoken in the same spirit about Christ which inspired and guided them all. But his disciples speak in past tense, of history, not of the present living reality of the holy spirit among them.

Listen and hear! This very day the holy spirit, the spirit of the prophets the spirit of Christ, lives and moves among us. By reading the word of God the bible the Living Word we can put on the Christ-Consciousness and know the spirit of Christ in the prophets also works in our lives.

52) His disciples said to Him [again in their fleshly minds], "Twenty-four prophets [the 24 books of the Hebrew canon] spoke in Israel [the Jewish camp - the Old Covenant - to both condemn them and to show them the way to repentance which was to come in Christ], and all of them spoke in You [they prophesied of the Messiah (the Word) allegorically in festivals and traditions and were not aware of it]." He said to them, "You [disciples] have omitted [gone astray from] the one living in your presence [by clinging to the old teachings and ways of the Pharisees and scribes] and have spoken (only) of the dead [the "letter" lower/outward (carnal) teachings of the Word]."